Who Will Deliver Us

This is the post referred to in Politico dated Monday 27th November 2017 and there is a description of its history. Interestingly all names of contributors are included except mine. Why this is so I have no idea except to say that it is probably better that way. It’s as if Heaven knows best. There is no explanation for it. Even where it says quote: there is no posting name also. Therefore I can be referred to as Posting Freak.

Marianne is a traditional Christian for want of a better description and she chose to quote all of the conversation down to where she herself joined in which is a very long repeat of content gone before so the bulk of the middle section has been deleted but finishes with her own quote which is then underlined to mark the end of here contribution.

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Quote: Takealook: It has been agreed that this content will be transferred from Sovereigns thread ‘The planned destruction of Christianity‘. to its own but the only thing that held this up was a suitable title that is relevant. The inspiration finally came with ‘Who Will Deliver Us‘. Of course we know who that will be because in the Lords Prayer it begins with our Father who art in Heaven hallowed be thy name….and then goes on to say Deliver us from evil for thine is the Kingdom the power and the glory for ever and ever Amen. In this context it was the response to the content of Sovereigns thread that that urged me to post the following content because Christianity is constantly being attacked and as Sovereign is so ably illustrating. is being usurped by stealth by false ideology. Therefore there is a need to fight back in the world of ideas.

It would be true to say that Christianity as it stands today has become ineffectual and and is in dire need of a boost that should come with the clearer understanding. Jesus as the Son of God promised that he will return again to speak plainly of the Father. Peoples understanding of the of the means of the Second Coming probably hinges on the promise of the Elijah of the Old Testament returning to to be a forerunner to prepare the way for the expected Messiah. John the Baptist was connected to this when we read about him making straight the way for the Lord and this is also stated in the New Testament which says that ‘he will walk and talk in the spirit of Elijah.’ From this people readily believe that the Second Coming requires a physical Jesus on the Earth and this is reinforced with the warning that there will be many false prophets. Of course this can still be so and there are many people who have claimed to be the Christ but subsequently there is usually always a failing or breakdown along the way. I believe that there are people who are enlightened to a certain degree who wish the best for mankind and feel that they they stand in the position of a Messiah but as always they are never able to introduce new concepts, clarity or understanding that rings true.

However Jesus said that ‘He’ would return and also spoke about when the Spirit of Truth comes which some take to mean the Holy Spirit.

Again I had reservations about posting the above because of the concern that it may be taken as patronising but having left it aside for a while considered that quite often simple is still valid and deserves to be considered.
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What I am about to explain is something that I have been holding off for a long time because I realise the consequential reaction of fundamental Christians and the object is to increase understanding not to stifle it and make things worse. It is a little like the saying from Jesus that new wine must be put into new wine skins, and also the relevance of the words of Jesus ‘seek and you shall find, ask and you shall be given.’ There must be a willingness to be open minded to accept new ideas, that is the information that Jesus will convey when he returns for obviously he is not going to return only to give what we already know and perhaps more importantly what we think we know. He did promise that he would speak plainly of the Father and prior to his death He said ‘I have many things to tell you but you cannot bear them now.’

The purpose of conveying this is to serve as a counter measure and was prompted by the words,amongst other things, in a thread in the UK Column that really struck home with me and which also conveyed the urgency.

`It was a quote from Sovereign in the thread Climate change as false Religion/Paganism and Gaia Worship that spurred me on to make this post but it is relevant here on this thread: (‘The planned destruction of Christianity)

Quote:Quote:CHANGES REQUIRED TO ENTER THE NEW AGE – [A] Religious
For mankind to enter the New Age, we must abandon the traditional religions, especially the monotheistic faiths: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Alice Bailey said, “Palestine should no longer be called the Holy Land; its sacred places are only the passing relics of three dead and gone religions. … Judaism is old, obsolete, and separative and has no true message for the spiritually minded which cannot be better given by the newer faiths; the Moslem faith has served its purpose and all true Moslems await the coming of the Imam Mahdi who will lead them to light and to spiritual victory; the Christian faith also has served its purpose; its Founder seeks to bring a new Gospel and a new message that will enlighten all men everywhere.

David Spangler likewise points toward a totalitarian future. He says: “From the depths of the race a call is rising for the emergence of a saviour, an avatar, a father-figure … who can be for the race what the ancient priest-kings were in the dawn of human history.”[155] The priest-kings of Sodom, Egypt and Babylon will return to rule us.Spangler describes “true democracy” in terms reminiscent of Rousseau’s “General Will“: “All spiritual societies are hierarchical. They cannot function in any other way. … It is not the will of the majority that is important. It is the will of the whole … Democracy as we know it is a quantitative form of government. True democracy, however, is qualitative, and that is what we must return to.”[156] Such “true democracy” is to be our future, for Spangler says ” theocratic democracy” is “what we are moving towards for humankind.”[157] (“Theocratic democracy”? Quick, call the ACLU! Or does it only oppose Christian theocracy?)

Spangler says that today’s “new gurus” are “accepting their divinity without becoming inflated by it;” they are “givers of life, and they are forming the basis for the government of the future. This will be a government that is authoritarian … in the same way that the laws of thermodynamics or of gravity are authoritarian.”[158] The authority of the New Regime will be as omnipresent and inexorable as the authority of the laws of Nature; each subject will say, “I can only follow this rhythm, this pattern,” for we will be “at one with the currents of life.”[159] (One might reply that the only beings that always move “at one with the currents” are dead.) The regime that Spangler describes as “government by the whole, the true democracy”[160] will be just as democratic as the German Democratic Republic.

Christianity has been under constant attack from the authorities in the UK but far worse in some other countries Christians are losing their lives through persecution in Moslem Countries so that in areas where Christianity was once in the majority it has now been decimated into minority status and getting worse. In a sense it is as if Moslem fundamentalism is being utilised as a tool to eradicate Christianity and may in fact go some way to explaining why New Labour was comfortable about playing host and turning a blind eye to fundamentalist hate preachers in North London Mosques. They were to serve several purposes if you know what I mean.

It is true that Jesus was put to death as a blasphemer by the authorities of the day because he dared to introduce new concepts of a greater truth. He was a threat to that authority and so was unable to carry on his mission but promised that he would come again to ‘speak plainly of the Father’. He also said that he will come as a thief in the night and also seemingly contradictory that he will come on the clouds of heaven and that every eye will see him.

Now in this present time there is great effort by the Authorities to destroy his legacy that was once a leading light as a world wide faith with ethics and morals that were a guiding light for society. Very slowly these have been eroded in the name of progress and the very institutions that were originally built up on this foundation are the ones that are now making legislation to destroy it completely.

There are many instances cited here in the UK Column of Judges rulings against issues of Christian ethics, or the evidence of the new age Gaia religion which obviously regards Christianity as a threat which must be destroyed. No doubt this is an indication that Christianity is still regarded as a threat despite the fact that records show that attendance to established churches is falling but there is also evidence that people still hold a belief of sorts indicating that there still remains a seed. People say ‘I believe in something’ or ‘I have my own personal understanding’ indicating that they are not being fulfilled by the established churches.

Here in Britain we hear of cases where white nationals are turning to the Moslem faith and one reason given was because they could not reconcile some aspects of Biblical teaching with the reality of modern day knowledge (remember that many things were added to the gospels because of theological or political expediency and this is a historical fact).

Christianity stands historically midway between Judaism and Mohammedanism of which the Moslem faith takes Abraham of the Old Testament as their father of faith as do the Jews and as a consequence the Christians also. The main difference is that Jesus came to complete the Law and taught such concepts as forgiveness, to do to others what you would have them do to yourselves,and said such things as ‘I am the way, the truth and the life’ and ‘In my Fathers House there are many mansions’. The last statement indicates another dimension of existence which we cannot see with our earthly eyes but nor can scientists detect evidence of matter in the Universe that they know should be there according to their mathematical equations. They are trying to discover explanations at Cern. They have also discovered that the world of the small functions in many unexpected ways. So scientists do not know everything about the world that already exists and are merely observing and discovering more through experimentation. So therefore it is not a very sound foundation to make claims that a creator God does not exist and that it is all part of our imagination. The ultimate folly would be when they pass on to find themselves in a spiritual dimension that they constantly denied existed and to realise that there is this wonderful addition to this physical world, a world that is constantly subjected to the laws of entropy. Then why should it exist? Will they still claim that it evolved out of a primordial mass by chance or at random?

This is work in progress and is a preamble to the main info. I will post this now or it may not be posted at all as happened ten months ago. The expression is different but the content will be the same. I hope to find what was written in longhand back then because it is another facet which adds to the whole.


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(29-06-2011 09:46 PM)Sovereign Wrote:  its interesting to note the Prophetic parables in Matthew 13 which indicate the increasing corruption and deception in the world from that day onwards.

As you say there is still that seed within many which the elite are using their religion to grow on thorny or hard ground because its spiritually empty, a path to nowhere ie Luciferianism/Baal/babylon new age which offers no true spiritual salvation.

It had been my intention to continue this by tacking it on to the original but feel that it is just as appropriate here.

You may have gathered that the main part of this post concerns the nature of Christ’s return, namely Jesus, but it is a very delicate subject because of each individuals perceived expectation. This Promise has been the expectation of many generations in the past and also the present.

As was said there is the promise that he would come as a thief in the night and also that every eye shall see him. Is there an explanation for these two apparently contradictory statements. Jesus would only state what is true so there must be. He also said that before he returns there would be a time of great tribulation.

Well there is a body of work that exists which is called the True Gospel Revealed Anew by Jesus. It was channelled by Jesus and received by James E. Padgett through automatic writing from 1914 to and continued with him until 1923. This task was transferred to Dr. Daniel G. Samuels during the years from 1957 until1966. It is to be found at the web site http://www.divinelove.org/ This is to distinguish against any thing else that may be googled as Divine Love or True Gospels because other items will turn up on screen that are nothing to do with what is being conveyed here. There is even a split away group which took with it half of the original manuscripts because they believed in a different approach to presentation and wanted to add additional revelation from other sources but I prefer to Stick with the original group that has retained the policy of not altering anything received by Padgett and Dr Samuels in any way which means that even spelling mistakes will remain. I believe that it is important to retain the integrity of the original body of messages for obvious reasons.

The purpose is to let people to know the existence of these writings and of course it is entirely up to the individual how they are received. The messages are conveyed in the best English but whether they are understood and accepted or not have nothing to do whatsoever with education or intelligence from my experience but with other factors which the initiated will understand and appreciate.

Now we know that in 1914 the First World War broke out and what greater tribulation could there be than that witnessed at that time. Towards the end of that war we saw the birth of Communism which has been regarded by some as the Antichrist and later was the emergence of a Second World War. These are pointers that surround the time these messages were received. Time has passed and these messages are still not well known by the majority but they have now been posted on the internet which is available for all to see (interestingly when something is lost on the internet it is often described as disappearing in the ether). Now this little bit can be taken as you like but it is a very recent development where your music collection can be stored on a server without owning anything physical and the term they have given to this arrangement is called the Cloud.

Now the reason that I personally accept the the conveyance and receipt of the messages to Padgett and Dr Samuels as the promised return of Christ have nothing to do whatsoever with what I have written in the above paragraph but for much deeper reasons because I had already arrived at various understandings that are covered in the writings. Jesus explains about his own life and clarifies events recorded in the Bible and points out those that have no foundation in fact.

It is interesting that last year while on holiday I had listened to a presentation on my mp3 player of a guest on Red Ice Radio and he was talking about the lineage of Jesus and mentioned that the people of the time had felt that Jesus had stolen the mission from John the Baptist. Having read Jesus description of his life story it is easy to understand why people of the time would hold this view. We Know that John the Baptist recognised Jesus importance and passed it on to him himself but at a later time had his own doubts. I have always felt that there is information in the True Gospels Revealed Anew that will one day be corroborated and confirmed through new discovery, perhaps through archaeology or other means.
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I have managed to find a You Tube version of the same Program which to me sounds very academic and credible. The original Mp3 lasts for just over an hour. The relevant part relating to the lineage and means of birth of Jesus starts just before the end of the first video and into the second and the part covering the peoples perception that Jesus stole the mission from John starts at about 6 minutes of the second video. It is worth listening to the whole thing right to the end of part 3 really. When I have time I will try to find the relevant sections from the True Gospels Revealed Anew.


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06-07-2011, 12:32 PM

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There is little doubt now in my mind that the presence of cuneiform writing that appears I am told across the planet shows some of what has been hidden from us.

Our ancestors left us all we needed to know

http://youtu.be/YJi0vdMPiPE

 

06-07-2011, 02:26 PM

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(06-07-2011 12:32 PM)Waterwise Wrote:  There is little doubt now in my mind that the presence of cuneiform writing that appears I am told across the planet shows some of what has been hidden from us.

Our ancestors left us all we needed to know

http://youtu.be/YJi0vdMPiPE

Thanks for that Waterwise. I could not make head or tail of what is being said in the video because of the poor sound and hiss but in looking for information on cuneiform writing came across this link

http://books.google.com/books?id=oFZFH8s…&q&f=false

The first thing that caught my eye in the search was this:
4000 BC
4000 BC – Before the introduction of cuneiform writing revelation and sacred history could only be conveyed by oral tradition, as the Vedas were long preserved in India. The invention of writing in Babylonia, about BC 4000, was followed by Egyptian and Chinese modes of …Before the introduction of cuneiform writing revelation and sacred history could only be conveyed by oral tradition, as the Vedas were long preserved in India. The invention of writing in Babylonia, about BC 4000, was followed by Egyptian and Chinese modes of writing, which were both of them based on the Babylonian. The origin of Hebrew literature was in transcription and translation from cuneiform documents, and the activity of Moses as the chief founder belonged to the …

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when I saw the date of the publication(Fleming H. Revell company, 1893) I was very interested because I tend to have more faith in the integrity of old publications as I feel that they are less likely to be riddled with agenda. Someone once asked why do you want those old encyclopedias, you can get more modern and up to date ones now but my feeling is that I can trust historical articles more There is a certain confidence and comfort attached.

Our family had a Bible that was relatively modern and had photographs and information inside that connected to the real word. One time I decided to read it from cover to cover but of course I did not make it. The Old Testament is a great slog for a young mind. One thing that I remember about it is that it had a particular atmosphere attached to it which I liked and about ten years ago tried to find it in my parents house because of the feeling it had with it but it has since disappeared unfortunately.


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06-07-2011, 03:23 PM

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(06-07-2011 06:32 AM)Takealook Wrote:  

Quote: Takealook: It has been agreed that this content will be transferred from Sovereigns thread ‘The planned destruction of Christianity‘. to its own but the only thing that held this up was a suitable title that is relevant. The inspiration finally came with ‘Who Will Deliver Us‘. Of course we know who that will be because in the Lords Prayer it begins with our Father who art in Heaven hallowed be thy name….and then goes on to say Deliver us from evil for thine is the Kingdom the power and the glory for ever and ever Amen. In this context it was the response to the content of Sovereigns thread that that urged me to post the following content because Christianity is constantly being attacked and as Sovereign is so ably illustrating. is being usurped by stealth by false ideology. Therefore there is a need to fight back in the world of ideas. ………..

 

………………….Spangler says that today’s “new gurus” are “accepting their divinity without becoming inflated by it;” they are “givers of life, and they are forming the basis for the government of the future. This will be a government that is authoritarian … in the same way that the laws of thermodynamics or of gravity are authoritarian.”[158] The authority of the New Regime will be as omnipresent and inexorable as the authority of the laws of Nature; each subject will say, “I can only follow this rhythm, this pattern,” for we will be “at one with the currents of life.”[159] (One might reply that the only beings that always move “at one with the currents” are dead.) The regime that Spangler describes as “government by the whole, the true democracy”[160] will be just as democratic as the German Democratic Republic.

Christianity has been under constant attack from the authorities in the UK but far worse in some other countries Christians are losing their lives through persecution in Moslem Countries so that in areas where Christianity was once in the majority it has now been decimated into minority status and getting worse. In a sense it is as if Moslem fundamentalism is being utilised as a tool to eradicate Christianity and may in fact go some way to explaining why New Labour was comfortable about playing host and turning a blind eye to fundamentalist hate preachers in North London Mosques. They were to serve several purposes if you know what I mean.

It is true that Jesus was put to death as a blasphemer by the authorities of the day because he dared to introduce new concepts of a greater truth. He was a threat to that authority and so was unable to carry on his mission but promised that he would come again to ‘speak plainly of the Father’. He also said that he will come as a thief in the night and also seemingly contradictory that he will come on the clouds of heaven and that every eye will see him.

Now in this present time there is great effort by the Authorities to destroy his legacy that was once a leading light as a world wide faith with ethics and morals that were a guiding light for society. Very slowly these have been eroded in the name of progress and the very institutions that were originally built up on this foundation are the ones that are now making legislation to destroy it completely.

There are many instances cited here in the UK Column of Judges rulings against issues of Christian ethics, or the evidence of the new age Gaia religion which obviously regards Christianity as a threat which must be destroyed. No doubt this is an indication that Christianity is still regarded as a threat despite the fact that records show that attendance to established churches is falling but there is also evidence that people still hold a belief of sorts indicating that there still remains a seed. People say ‘I believe in something’ or ‘I have my own personal understanding’ indicating that they are not being fulfilled by the established churches.

This is work in progress and is a preamble to the main info. I will post this now or it may not be posted at all as happened ten months ago. The expression is different but the content will be the same. I hope to find what was written in longhand back then because it is another facet which adds to the whole.

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As far as I understand it Jesus did indeed complete his mission, because he knew all along that he was going to be put to death. He was sent by God as a ransom for humankind, to give us hope in exchange for what Adam lost. God could have left us humans to our own devices but because he loves us and his creation he was willing to send down his Son for us. Yes, Jesus promised that he would be back but not in a human form again. “A little longer and the world will behold me no more”. John 14:19. “Even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, certainly we now know him so no more” 2 Corinthians 5:16. So when Revelation 1:7 says “Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him”, it doesn’t mean in a physical sense, it means we will discern or understand that Christ is present. And that he will come as thief in the night, simply refers to the fact that we don’t know when he is coming or that he will come when we least expect it.
True Christians have been persecuted all through the ages, from Christ’s followers to this day and it
will get worse the nearer we get.

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(06-07-2011 03:23 PM)Marianne Wrote:  As far as I understand it Jesus did indeed complete his mission, because he knew all along that he was going to be put to death. He was sent by God as a ransom for humankind, to give us hope in exchange for what Adam lost. God could have left us humans to our own devices but because he loves us and his creation he was willing to send down his Son for us. Yes, Jesus promised that he would be back but not in a human form again. “A little longer and the world will behold me no more”. John 14:19. “Even if we have known Christ according to the flesh, certainly we now know him so no more” 2 Corinthians 5:16. So when Revelation 1:7 says “Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him”, it doesn’t mean in a physical sense, it means we will discern or understand that Christ is present. And that he will come as thief in the night, simply refers to the fact that we don’t know when he is coming or that he will come when we least expect it.
True Christians have been persecuted all through the ages, from Christ’s followers to this day and it will get worse the nearer we get.

There is no doubt that what you say has been the substance of faith for several thousand years and quite possibly will continue to be.


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(06-07-2011 03:50 PM)Takealook Wrote:  There is no doubt that what you say has been the substance of faith for several thousand years and quite possibly will continue to be.

The shift in the means of captivity was never part of the divine orders carried by our ancestors.

If you have time this is also well worth learning from

“Druidic Links from Eden/Kharsag to British Christianity”
a lecture given by Edmund Marriage
http://www.holisticchannel.org.uk/11.html

It must be us, that deliver our people from captivity, it always was.

Of course this could all be wrong, but too much fits into my own spoken history.

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Assuming Creation to be self evident rather than random chance and evolution, Do you see any salavation From the NWO, sin and death outside of Christianity?


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06-07-2011, 08:56 PM

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(06-07-2011 06:32 PM)Sovereign Wrote:  Assuming Creation to be self evident rather than random chance and evolution, Do you see any salavation From the NWO, sin and death outside of Christianity?

The answer you will find is held within the truth of the origins of Christianity. What do you know of the gnostic gospels for these were the laws carried by all our ancient tribes.

This story is much older than a mere two thousand years and stretches back beyond the last extinction event described in the testaments as the great flood.

It would be pertinent to also point out that the priesthoods that proclaimed to be carrying the word of the creator did no more than create a system of so called law that put the people into captivity.

What comes this way has been here before, all ancient mythos tells the same.

For me, my salvation and that of my family is in what we do now and in the coming months. It might sound a little odd, but the natural world is revealing its preparation for a cleansing. Beyond these events will be a time to rebuild.

There is one element that is precluded from the designed religions and it was it seems put there to turn us into livestock. This we must put down and turn instead to what each of us knows to be the right way.

 

08-07-2011, 02:08 AM

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There are several facets from the various questions that can rolled into one in relation to the various replies and questions.

I was quite taken by the fact that cuneiform had been used over the millennia as a means of documenting revelation. This shows that this is an innate part of man’s existence has been confirmed by recent statements that humans are hard wired to believe in a higher existence.

We can see the cumulation of this information recorded in the Old Testament and in it there can be seen a progression where the Jewish Nation had been constantly prepared, and this can also be confirmed by the fact that they had the expectation of the coming of a Messiah figure.

When I said ‘There is no doubt that what you say has been the substance of faith for several thousand years and quite possibly will continue to be.’, it was a reflection of what has already taken place with the the Jewish nation that God had prepared. Within that sentence there is the aspect where the promise of the Second coming has kept the momentum of faith alive for generation after generation. This has been so no matter what the surrounding external circumstances, things that were not what they should be, whether it is such things as the modification of ideology, The control of the scriptures by the exclusive use of Latin, Indulgences etc. However there is the possibility of this expectation becoming fossilised as it has with the Jews because they are still waiting for their promised Messiah and for all of their learning and adherence to the Mosaic Law they failed to recognise Jesus for who he was.

Likewise with the Christians there is the possibility of not recognising the the event that may in fact be that Second coming and be held in expectation for ever and ever without ever benefiting from Jesus’ new words and insights.

Jesus came as the Messiah for the World not just for the benefit of the Jewish Nation and reflecting on this it is interesting how Jews have a talent for business and are able to make their way in the World wherever they may choose to go. However there is another side to this nature which is not what it should be and becomes dark and twisted as anything does when subjected to man’s selfish nature. It is in this area that God is constantly trying to lift us out of and to raise us up. It is here that we have our responsibility to respond and is why the Messiah comes to show the way.

Back in 1976 I had an experience at work where I was on Machine breakdown waiting for milling machine to be fixed by the mechanics. This gave me the opportunity to read the Cycling magazine that I had picked up that Thursday morning and as usual I tried to read it from cover to cover as is the case when able. However I became aware of a turbulent feeling around me and could not settle to read so put the magazine away and just sat there.
What happened next is that I had this feeling experience that conveyed that Jesus had come to show mankind the right way to live and I saw in my minds eye the Roman soldiers coming to take him away to murder him. It conveyed that this was a contradiction to why he had come and I was moved to tears. This account is quite different to traditional Christian belief but you have to read what is said in the True Gospels Revealed Anew by Jesus for it to make sense. It took about 28 years before I was able to (November 2003).

To say that we are captive depends on the point of view. If I am not mistaken it was meant in a derogatory sense but in another we are captive to Gods desire to see us restored to the original ideal that was lost at the Fall. On the other hand if we fail to take this opportunity then we do not progress to move forward so in another sense we are also captive to ignorance. From what I have read elsewhere in the past it is reported that the higher realms in the spirit world are constantly trying to help those in the lower realms to progress.

Last week I had been sorting through the loft and came across a photocopy of an article printed in the Times in 1985. It was about five Russian dissidents questioning Gorbachev’s sincerity towards reforms. The Soviet Union had eventually made the transition to Western values, if that means anything and what struck me about this is that it had only very recently been announced on the radio that today’s Russia is racked with extreme cases of corruption at every level to such an extent that it was said that the only viable industry for growth would be oil and gas. Now what came to mind was that this transition was made from a country who’s previous ideology had been Godless Communism.

Now another aspect that connects to this is that in the Western World that had previously had God centred principles we are witnessing the destruction of Christianity and at the same time the relaxing of controls and regulations that have also provided the fertile ground for corruption for want of a better word but of course this ‘manipulation’ remains legal and within the rules.

So it looks like we are witnessing the pincer movement of evil that is the fruit of the NWO and whereas Sovereign has been pointing out how faith is being usurped the back end solution(or is it the front end?) is that we change ourselves and understand the way to go.

It seems that when the Victorians were at their most productive in terms of creativity, invention of industrial marvels they were also conscious of protecting the religious fabric of the country and this was facilitated through Parliament.
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09-07-2011, 02:50 PM

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I had decided to spend some time to search for relevant information related to items in previous posts as promised but unfortunately the divinelove.org site is down. It was possible to retrieve the cached information which had been written by Dr. Daniel G. Samuels and edited by Dr Stone and is an encapsulation of the messages but of course not all. I have posted it below because within it are references to some of the ideas discussed.

THE TRUE MISSION OF JESUS
I. JESUS AND HIS RELATIONSHIP TO GOD
Whatever one may believe regarding the source of the Messages from Jesus and Celestials, the contents are so new and revolutionary, yet so compelling by their logic and sublime simplicity, that a serious study of them must be undertaken in order to comprehend their significance and challenge.
In these messages Jesus of Nazareth stands forth as the Master of what he calls the Celestial Heavens, wherein only those spirits possessed of the New Birth through prayer to the Father for His Divine Love can dwell in light and happiness, and conscious of their immortality through their at-onement with Him in soul nature.
If these messages are authentic as coming from Jesus and his celestial spirits, then mankind has at last been given the true mission which Jesus proclaimed on earth. This mission taught the transformation of man’s soul from the image of God–the work of the original creation–into the very essence of God through the bestowal of the Father’s Love upon whomsoever should seek that Love in earnest longing. It revealed that Jesus himself first manifested the Father’s Love in his soul, thus making him at one with the Father in nature and giving him that clear consciousness of his kinship with the Father and his immortality of soul. It showed that in this development of soul Jesus was indeed his Father’s true Son, not in the metaphysical and mysterious way of a hypothetical virgin birth, but through the Holy Spirit, that agency of the Father which conveys His Love into the souls of His creatures who seek it in earnest prayer. It brings to light that Jesus was born of Mary and Joseph, of human parents like other human beings, but that he was none the less the Messiah promised to the Hebrews and to mankind in the Old Testament. For wherever he taught the “glad tidings” that God’s Love was available, and that it was this Love which bestowed immortality upon the soul filled with this Love, Jesus brought with him the nature of God–the Kingdom of God. At the same time Jesus tells us that neither was he God, nor was his mother Mary the mother of God, nor a virgin after her marriage to Joseph, but that she was in truth the mother of eight children, of which he was the eldest, and that he had four brothers and three sisters in the flesh, and not cousins, as some versions of the Bible relate.
In addition, he relates that he did not come to die on a cross, nor did, or does, his shed blood bring remission of sins. He also shatters the time honored statements now found in the New Testament that he ever instituted a bread and wine sacrament on the eve of his arrest at the Last Supper. This pious statement, he declares, was never his, nor did any of his apostles or disciples ever teach it, but was inserted about a century later so that such a doctrine might accord with the ideas then prevalent among the Greek converts to Christianity. Communion with the Heavenly Father can never take place through the mistaken notion that he had to be impaled on a cross by Roman soldiers, on the order of Pilate, the Procurator of Judaea, and in accord with the uncomprehending high priests, so that he could appear as a sacrifice for sin. There is no sacrifice for sin, affirms Jesus, and his dried up blood cannot do what only man himself must do, by turning in repentance and prayer to the Heavenly Father, to effect that change in his heart whereby his soul will give up evil and sin, and embrace what is righteous. The Father’s help in the elimination of sin from the human soul is His Divine Love which, on entering the soul through prayer, removes sin and error from that soul and provides not only purification but its transformation into a divine soul, at-one with the Father’s great soul in nature. This real communion, which Jesus himself had achieved, is, he declares, the only communion between God and His children, which He has provided for their salvation and eternal life with Him. The vicarious atonement, Jesus states, is a myth, and its appearance in the New Testament is one of many false statements inserted therein to make it harmonize with later concepts concerning his relationship to the Father, which these later Greek and Roman copyists did not understand. It is a terrible thing to believe that God, in order to bring about His Son’s sacrifice, approved the unlawful arrest of Jesus on the Passover, the bloody scourges, the treachery of Judas, the palpably unfair trial by high priests and Sanhedrinites, as well as Pilate’s fear of Judaean revolt against Roman rule, to encompass the inhuman death of Jesus, His Messiah, on a cross. As though God needed to bring about through wickedness and sin the very wickedness and sin He seeks to blot out in His children.
In the light of these messages, a new interpretation of Jesus’ death on the cross is certainly in order. We are told by the orthodox churches that Jesus gave himself up willingly as a sacrifice for sin because he loved humanity to the degree of self sacrifice, and because as the Messiah he had come for that purpose. He is supposed to take the place of the Hebrew sacrifice, the lamb, and he is called in the New Testament the Lamb of God. As a matter of fact, the Old Testament sacrifice of an animal was never intended to take away sin, and this is shown by the fact that although these sacrifices were not permitted during the Babylonian captivity, the people still put their faith in redemption through turning away from sin and seeking God through a life of moral and ethical conduct.
Jesus did sacrifice himself, indeed, but in a way never related or understood by the writers of the New Testament. Jesus went to his death because he would not deny his mission: that, as the first human to attain through prayer an immortal soul filled with the essence of the Father–the Divine Love–he was in this way the first true son of God and therefore the Messiah. Jesus could have saved his life if he had retracted at his trial, but he died because he remained true to himself, true to his Messiahship, and true to the Father who had sent him. Jesus sacrificed his whole life preaching the Father’s Love: he gave up home, his chance to marry and have a family of his own, a chance to devote himself to the quiet pursuits of a Nazarene carpenter; instead, he chose the hatred and opposition of those who understood not and preferred the status quo; he chose the incomprehension of his loved ones, who considered him mad and sought to have him leave Galilee; he chose constant travels and journeys, so that often he had no place to lay his head; he chose to preach in the Temple at Jerusalem, chase the money lenders, defy the conspiracy of those who sought his death, and bravely faced the consequences of what he knew must inevitably occur. Yes, Jesus did sacrifice himself, but it is high time to put aside myth and metaphysics, and to know and to realize what that sacrifice consists of. When we understand his sacrifice, then Jesus stands forth in all his greatness, in all his courage, in all his serenity and forgiveness and love for mankind, with his absolute faith in the Father and His Love, in that day of his teaching, tribulation, and death.
Jesus tells us many things about himself and his life in the Holy Land. He states that the Bible story of his birth, minus the many supernatural elements in it, is substantially true, and that he was born in Bethlehem, taken by his parents to Egypt to avoid destruction by Herod, that the Wise Men did come from the East to pay him homage and that he was taught the elements of the Hebrew faith from teachers; but that it was the Father Himself who taught him the truth of the Divine Love and made him realize what his mission was. He tells us that John the Baptist, his cousin, was a great psychic and had some understanding of him as the Messiah and that both planned the Master’s public ministry. He states that John never sent emissaries when in prison to be reassured that Jesus was “him whom we seek,” and that Jesus as a boy of twelve never appeared before the doctors of the Law in the Temple at Jerusalem.
Jesus also tells about some of the miracles which he performed. Most of these, he explains, dealt with his healing power; but that he never raised Lazarus or anyone else from the dead, nor has anyone else been able to do so, regardless of what the Scriptures say, for the spirit body cannot return to the flesh once the physical conditions of life have been destroyed. He also relates that he never quieted a storm by rebuking the waves on the Sea of Galilee, but that he did calm the fears of the disciples with him through his example of courage and assurance.
Some of the greatest messages which, to my mind, Jesus and some of the high spirits write are those connected with the Master’s resurrection from the dead after his crucifixion. Jesus informs Mr. Padgett that he did die on the cross and that he did appear to Peter, John, Mary Magdalene and his mother on the third day, but that the true explanation of this occurrence is quite different from the accepted views of the churches. Here, Jesus is supposed to reveal his divinity by arising from the dead; but actually, Jesus’ soul never died, as no man’s soul dies with physical death, and the Master goes on to state that, with the power inherent in his soul with the Divine Love, he simply dematerialized his mortal frame, announced in the Spirit World the availability of Immortality to mortals and spirits through the Father’s Love which he was the first to manifest, and then on the third day materialized a body like flesh and blood drawn from the elements of the universe; and that it was in this materialized body, which he was able to assume without mediumistic aid, that he appeared to Mary Magdalene and the others. It is the reason, he states, why Mary did not at first recognize him and thought him to be the gardener and the same may be said of his disciples at Emmaus. The great misconception of Christians of all ages has been to believe that Jesus revealed himself to be part of the godhead by this resurrection; that is to say, rising from the dead, but actually his feat consisted in the assumption of a flesh-like body, indeed, so real, as to convince even the doubting Thomas.
II. GOD AND THE HUMAN SOUL
As to who and what is God, I dare say that never has the Bible, either the Old or the New Testament, given man an understanding of the Deity and His attributes to the extent and depth as appears in the messages signed Jesus and the Celestials. According to these high spirits, man is at-one with the Father to the degree that His love abounds in their souls. God is Soul, composed of His greatest attribute, Divine Love, which is His very nature and essence, followed by Mercy, Goodness, Power, Omniscience, and Will, and with the Mind, so much worshipped by mankind, only an aspect of this Being. Although God has no form such as He gives to mankind on incarnation, nor a spirit body, which is manifested by man after his physical death, yet God possesses His definite Soul form, which becomes more clearly perceptible to the soul which feels or perceives’ God’s Oversoul, or the divine attributes thereof, as it comes into closer rapport with God through its soul development. For while God is Soul alone, unique in its Oneness, and while He has no material or spirit body, yet He has personality, the divine personality manifesting His Love and Mercy, His kindness and solicitude for all His creatures. God, then, is not a cold intellect, an abstract mind, or forces indifferent and unfeeling, but a personal warm and loving Father, eager for the happiness of His children, regardless of race or color or creed. He seeks through His ministering angels to turn His children to Him, and have them keep in harmony with His laws, or have them come indeed to Him in the longing of their human souls for that something they know not what and obtain at-onement with Him through the inflowing of His Love into their souls in response to their earnest prayers. Soul is God and God is Soul and all His attributes added together do not make up who and what God is. These attributes radiate from His Great Soul and flood the universe, so when men say they live and have their being in God they are in error for they do not, but they do live and have their being in the attributes that God has given them: the human soul. When one obtains the greatest attribute of God, the Divine Love, which manifests itself as a warm glow burning in the soul, as occurred to the refugees at Emmaus (Luke, 24, 32), then he is actually feeling or perceiving the Great Soul of God to the degree he partakes of that Love.
Information regarding the human soul not even mentioned in the Scriptures, which presumably should be the place to look for such material, abounds in the Messages from Jesus. To be sure, we are told in Genesis that God created man “in His image,” but everything that such a statement implies or suggests is tantalizingly wanting and we are left to our own ideas or compelled to accept what the churches believe should be the meaning. The result is that the conception of what was meant by the creation in man varies in accordance with the interpretation which each church, claiming for itself the truth, lays upon those meager words. The early Hebrews, of course, were not interested overly much in the life beyond the grave, and their conception of the soul or its habitat after mortal experience is limited mainly to Paradise or Gehenna (and these, we may note, were originally conceived to be places on this earth; in the first case, the Garden of Eden supposed to be near the Euphrates; in the second, in the valley of Hinnom where the Jebusites once offered up human sacrifices). It is strange, perhaps, that the Greeks, with their love of physical culture, form and beauty, should have a much more detailed view of the afterlife: the dark realm of Pluto, the glory and happiness of the Elysian Fields, where the souls of the righteous dwell in peace and communion with their god, the shadow forms of the harpies, the influence, perhaps, of an older Egyptian religion.
But in these messages signed the Master and his celestial spirits, the information given is clear and logical, even though such information is new and hitherto unknown. Certainly, no one up to the time of Padgett’s mediumship was able to obtain messages of that high quality directly from these spirits themselves, although Swedenborg, the Swedish seer, was permitted experiences in the spirit world which in many respects parallel what Padgett obtained.
Jesus tells us that just as God is Infinite Love, so is His universe infinite matter which, like God, has no beginning nor end. At some time in this infinity of time and space, God created a habitat designed for “man”. Exactly when we “men” were created as living souls, (that is to say, before or after the creation of our world) is not known, but God created human souls which dwelt, and have been so dwelling, with Him before their incarnation in the flesh. After the mortal experience, the soul, manifesting its spirit body acquired with incarnation, returns to the spirit world to inhabit a locality commensurate with its condition.
Human souls created by the Father, according to the messages, are duplex: they are male and female in composition and at the time of incarnation divide into their two component parts. Each thereafter in the flesh is a complete soul as to itself. These soul mates may or may not meet and marry in the flesh, depending upon various conditions and circumstances which prevail at the time of their marriage, but such marriage is in no way a guarantee of happiness, for the different education, religious beliefs, family traditions, upbringing and other circumstances of each may often hinder rather than aid in their marital relations. On the other hand souls which are not mates have a better chance of marital harmony if their marriage is based on similar interests, upbringing, education and general social condition on the plane of the material world. Soulmates, after death, eventually meet and stay together in real soulmate love, though not before a period of purification, and in accordance with their condition of soul.
The messages are unequivocal in their insistence that human souls are, as the Book of Genesis states, creations in the image of God, and that therefore there is nothing of the Divine in us. They also insist that man is not the product of evolution such as Darwin or his followers have taught, but that ours represents a material form similar to, but more highly developed than, other creations consistent with the development of life on this planet and harmonizing with the conditions for life which this planet presents. Man was provided with a human soul which, with its special appendage, the mind, enabled him to make the advances and progress which exalt him as lord over the other creatures of this life and give him the potentiality of exploring and mastering the physical surroundings into which he has been placed.
But men are tragically mistaken, declares Jesus, when they believe that the mind is superior to, or the equal of, the soul, or that the soul is merely a name which is given to an entity whose existence is either doubtful or has no basis in fact. For the mind is limited and dependent upon the soul, the seat of the emotions and the passions, and it is the soul which is the real man. It is through the soul perceptions that man knew instinctively that he was linked to his Creator, whom he was to revere and obey. Man, says Jesus, can know and knows God only because he possesses a soul, and he can never know God if he seeks Him intellectually and with his mind alone. Doubt and speculation is a product of the mind, but faith is a product of the soul and we know that God exists through our soul perceptions, so that we can create the spiritual link with God through prayer. Not a mental prayer, but a prayer that comes from man’s soul–earnest, sincere, full of longing, faith and love.
III. THE PROBLEM OF SIN
When the first parents, or whom they represent, possessed their God-given souls, these souls were in the image of God, but they had nothing of the essence of God in them. They were given the opportunity, however, to obtain the nature of God through prayer for His Love, which on entering the human soul through the agency of the Holy Spirit, transforms that soul from the image of God into the essence of God. But the first parents, instead of turning to God and His Love, sought mastery of their material surroundings alone and, instead of developing their souls so that they would partake of the nature of God through Divine Love, chose the development of their intellectual faculties. For it is through his intellectual attainments that man acquires the material possessions and wealth by which he so much sets his store and which marks him as a success by worldly standards. And thus came the story of the apple, and the Tree of Knowledge. And it is through this material knowledge that came sin, for man turned from God to be independent of God, and with it came pride. He became puffed up, cruel, heartless and merciless, where he had been created with a soul full of human love and mercy and tenderness and sympathy for his fellow beings. Thus man, in his ruthlessness, lost the use of his soul qualities and the potentiality of partaking of the Father’s nature through the inflowing of the Divine Love into his soul, and this was the death which man suffered when he sinned. For, says Jesus, the material body was not in question; it was, rather, the penalty of having lost the opportunity of achieving at-onement in soul with the Father. Men lost the potentiality for salvation through becoming immortal souls. The wages of sin, as Jesus explains it, is spiritual death: loss of the soul’s chance to partake of God’s nature and live. Death in the flesh, Jesus assures us, is merely an incident in the progress of man’s soul from preexistence to the point where he returns to the spirit world with his individuality assumed at the time of incarnation, and manifested in his spirit body.
The problem of sin, then, is the defilement of the soul during its period of incarnation. Sin is the violation of God’s laws, says Jesus, as given to mankind by those of His messengers who transmit His will to mortals attuned to their suggestions, either because they are more pure in heart and are closer to the Father or because of their psychic or mediumistic powers. An interesting message signed Elijah tells us that he could receive messages from the unseen world because of prayers and religious instinct. Here, perhaps, is the story of the great religious founders and reformers of all lands and ages up to the coming of the Messiah. They all sought to turn man to the moral life, and the Eight Steps of Buddha, the Hammurabi Code and the Decalogue of Moses may, perhaps, be viewed as the success which the Father’s messengers attained in planting into man’s mind an awareness of the existence of God’s laws, which were to be observed by all His children for the purity of their souls.
Some of the finest messages in this collection are those from Old Testament Prophets, like Elijah, Samuel, Moses and Daniel, who tell us of their efforts to turn their compatriots away from sin and error in the conduct of their lives to standards of ethical living, and seeking to give effect to their sermons through recourse to threats of punishment to be meted out by an angry and wrathful God. They explain that His Love was not available to them nor was it known to them as a reality, and they conceived of Him as a stern taskmaster who was vengeful and jealous “of His name.” Their highest concept of Judaism, which graces the most exalted pages of the Old Testament, was intense faith in God, righteousness and obedience to His laws. There also runs through the Scriptures the theme of the new heart–the promise of the Father’s Love, to be bestowed in the fulness of time upon the Jews first and thereafter upon all mankind, but this is a subject which, as far as I know, has never been given adequate treatment in the study of the Hebrew religion.
IV. REDEMPTION FROM SIN
To the pious Hebrew of the Old Testament, it appeared that his wickedness both as a nation and as individuals was the cause of his national disasters and that his successes were the result of his faithfulness to the Covenant between God and the Patriarchs. The prophets emphasized the necessity in times of national stress to avoid alliances with other countries, and to put their faith in God’s protection. Failure to heed the warnings of the Prophets led to calamity as in the days of Jeremiah, when disregard of his advice brought captivity in Babylonia. Again, in the sorest hour of Judaea’s history, when the people were being provoked almost beyond endurance to bloody rebellion against mighty Rome, a Prophet out of Nazareth came with a message of peace and forebearance, only to be rejected by those in power; Judaea was crushed and the people–those that remained–dispersed over the face of the globe. For those of us who know that the Heavenly Father is our God of Love, we cannot believe that He brought about the horrible destruction of the Hebrews in the revolt of 67-70 A.D. But we do believe that the condition of men’s souls was such that it embraced wrath and the violence of warfare rather than love and patience and that this condition of the soul made inevitable the dreadful consequences that followed.
In the spirit world, the soul that sins must likewise reap the whirlwind. On leaving the flesh, it is received by spirits whose duty it is to instruct it in the things of its new existence. It is told that everything in the spirit world is controlled by law. One of these is the “law of compensation,” applicable to all spirits who pass over from mortal to spirit life. This life calls for the expiation of the sins which the soul has committed as a mortal.
Since the soul is the “real man,” and is in possession of its faculties, this includes the memory of deeds committed in the earth life. All the evil works and thoughts which the soul has accumulated as a mortal now come back to haunt and assail him and the terrible remorse and suffering that ensue continue constantly and unabated until these evil memories have left him, and it is this that constitutes the judgment day and the hell. The condition of the soul creates the home in which it lives when it first passes over into spirit life; a home which accurately and exactly reflects the state of that soul and the spirit body which it manifests. Hence a soul filled with thoughts and deeds spiritual and in accord with God’s laws will abide in a place suitable to its soul condition filled with light and reflecting the happiness of that soul; but a soul filled with deeds and thoughts of the material plane alone, and out of harmony with God’s laws, engenders an abode of darkness and suffering, and in accordance with the abuses and unlawful material pleasures which it pursued when on earth.
But one of the most pernicious doctrines taught by the churches and whose damnable falsity is exposed by Jesus, is that which fixes the destiny of the delinquent soul in hell for all eternity. This is not true, for as soon as the soul wills it, and repents of his sins as a mortal, he may make his progress out of the lowest hells to the spiritual heavens or, should he seek and obtain the Father’s Love, continue to eternally progress as an immortal soul in the Celestial Heavens towards the throne of God. The reason for this, the Master explains, is that the soul of man is the same, whether in the flesh or as a spirit, and the same conditions of forgiveness obtain here as in the spirit world. All sins are pardonable in this world or the next whenever the soul makes the sincere effort to receive it, and the only sin not pardonable is that which, in New Testament parlance, blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, or in the language which the Master makes clear, refuses the Divine Love of the Father which can transform the human soul into a divine soul and bestow upon it immortality.
It is not true that man has the sorry alternative of either repenting of his evils ways in the brief existence in the flesh or living in hell throughout all eternity as a spirit. Some churches state that man cannot live a mortal life of pleasure and evil and then turn to God to avoid eternal suffering as a spirit. At the same time they teach that despite a life of sin a last minute return to God will insure forgiveness of their sins, when they come to the next world. These churches seem to be unaware of the existence of the law of compensation which exacts payment for the evils committed in the flesh “to the last farthing.” This is justice, indeed, if that is what these churches desire, but the time comes when the debt is paid, the soul is released from the workings of the law and forgiveness is achieved.
The law, then, acts upon the soul undergoing the process of purification, but the soul that seeks the Father’s Love invokes the higher law of Grace. Here no justice is involved; only the Divine Love which the Father bestows upon His aspiring children and transforms them into divine souls, bringing about the elimination of those evil desires and the forgetfulness of those evil deeds upon which the law of compensation operates. The pernicious doctrine of eternal damnation often prevents the unhappy soul from seeking the Father’s Love through prayer, in the terrible belief that his position in hell is fixed forever and that God can no longer help him. Yet God, as Jesus explains it, helps His children wherever they are, in this world or the next, or in whatever condition of soul they may be in, provided they come to Him as their Heavenly Father in earnest longing of their souls and seek His Love and mercy.
It is the awakening of the soul to the iniquities it worked and cogitated as a mortal that brings about the workings of the law of compensation, and the abode of the spirit. Sometimes, the soul that passes over, because of the peculiar character of its make-up, is impervious at first to this awakening, and in that case, the soul lives on the level of its evil earth plane life and seeks in spiritual counterparts those evils which it practiced as a mortal, or roams the earth seeking to obsess mortals susceptible to its baleful influence. Jesus refers in the Gospels of the New Testament to his having liberated mortals from possession by demons, and these demons were nothing more than evil spirits which had taken possession of human beings at the time. In respect to these evil spirits of once mortal beings, Jesus tells us that some of the narratives related in the New Testament are true, but that others are false, and he refers concretely to the story of the possessed swine which ran madly down the cliff to be destroyed. This, he asserts, he never brought about, first because he would harm no creature, and because of the financial loss such an act of his would have entailed their owner. But, as regards the evil spirits, these awaken in time to the law of compensation and pass through their period of suffering for their mischief and evil. They are helped in this condition by others who are somewhat more advanced than themselves, and who instruct them in the ways that exist to progress out of their deplorable condition.
Hence, souls in suffering eventually learn to give up their evil inclinations, whether it be a fondness for money, possessions, gratification of pleasures or the desire to injure others–greed, lusts, covetousness, hatred, envy, injustice and other sinful creations of the human heart–and they may use their will power and intellectual faculties to enable them to cause the forgetfulness of the things that make for a soul stricken with remorse. But the soul in suffering and darkness may also seek outside aid if it so wishes: the Divine Love of the Heavenly Father which, pouring out into the soul which earnestly seeks His Love, causes the purification of that soul through possessing it and thus forcing from it the excrescences that mar and defile that soul; and indeed, as the Father’s Love continues to fill the soul of him who seeks it, there takes place the transformation of the human soul reflecting the Soul of God into a Divine soul filled with the very nature and essence of God, His Love. With that Love the soul is changed, and the evils which contaminated it are eradicated and the memories thereof, so that the law of compensation has nothing on which to operate, and the soul is freed from its inexorable workings. For God’s Love sought for by the soul in earnestness and longing invokes a higher law of love and the once evil soul, now filled with God’s Love, and mercy, and kindness, consideration, pity and sympathy, progresses out of its abode of darkness and suffering into realms of love and light, and eventually into the Celestial Heavens, where only those souls filled with His Love can enter. Jesus is the Master of the Celestial Heavens, where the inhabitants are the possessors of the Father’s Love to that degree in their souls that they are conscious of their immortality. For God’s Soul being Immortal, those souls possessing His Love to a sufficient degree are in the same way Immortal. This is what Jesus meant when he said, “The Father and I are one.” He meant there was a oneness between God’s Soul and His own because of the great abundance of the Father’s Love which he possessed, which enabled him to realize that in this way he was the Father’s real and redeemed son. He did not mean, as some churches have erroneously interpreted the remark, that he was God or equal to God; only that there was a kinship in nature between his soul and God’s, which had been established by his possession of the Father’s Love through prayer.
In short, we come to the real explanation of “forgiveness,” which is startlingly different from the traditional conception imposed upon mortals by the churches. God does not arbitrarily forgive sin; but rather, God aids those who, truly penitent and contrite, come to Him to seek His forgiveness with the intention of mending their ways. He may therefore send the Spirit of God to strengthen the soul that seeks to avoid sin and error through his own will power or, in response to prayer, He will send His Holy Spirit to convey His Love into the soul so that His own nature and essence provide the aid in eradicating the evils with which that soul is contending.
In the same way, Jesus lays bare the sterility of the traditional concept of the “judgment day.” It is not a weighing in the balance of the good and evil deeds of man during his earth life; neither is it a vague indefinite time when the earth shall be destroyed and men’s souls tried for condemnation or resuscitation into physical life from the grave. For, as St. Paul says in Corinthians, “flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom.” And Mary, the Mother of Jesus, explains that the flesh of the lifeless body must return to the elements in accordance with God’s law, and that therefore any writings to the effect that she ascended into heaven in the flesh is mere speculation and wishful thinking on the part of those who exalt her because of her relationship to her son. Mary states that, indeed, as a spirit filled with the Father’s Love, she is an inhabitant of the Kingdom high up in the Celestial Heavens, yet not because of any relationship to Jesus, but because of her own exalted soul condition.
Eventually, declares Jesus, all souls will progress out of their condition of suffering and unhappiness and attain to either the sixth sphere, known to the Hebrews as Paradise (for such is the condition of man possessing purity of soul whether he be in the flesh or devoid of it) or will accept the way to the Father’s Love and reach the Celestial Heavens. The perfect natural man, however, must eventually reach a state of stagnation, for the time comes when he can no longer progress beyond the perfection of his human soul; but the soul possessed of the Father’s Love may continue to obtain His Love throughout all eternity, for it is infinite, and the soul thus filled with the Father’s essence continues to obtain more and more of it and, consequently, to progress nearer and nearer to the fountainhead of the Father’s abode, with increased knowledge of things divine and gaining in happiness and joy as a Divine son of the Father.
In accordance with this desire to explain conditions of spirit and soul life, Jesus is emphatic about the utter falsity of reincarnation. He states, and ancient spirits of the East write to add their corroboration, that while this theory is known to devotees of Oriental cultures, reincarnation has as a matter of fact never taken place in the spirit world and that believers in this sterile idea have been waiting in vain for countless thousands of years to be reincarnated. Jesus, and others of the high spirits, state that the soul cannot be separated from its spirit body once it has been acquired through incarnation, and that only souls without spirit bodies can be incarnated. Hence, Jesus explains, the soul makes its progress from sin to purity or divine transformation in the spirit world, which it can never again leave except to materialize briefly with the aid of material substance borrowed from mediums. The oriental concept of renunciation or expiation of sin from the soul, adds Jesus, is correct, as is the doctrine that eventually the soul will eliminate the evils which defile it, but the errors consist in locating the earth as the place where such expiation takes place, and teaching that the soul on freeing itself of iniquity also loses consciousness of itself as a personal entity through absorption of the soul into the Deity.
In connection with life on the other side, one of the most interesting spirit writers is the Seer, Swedenborg, who tells us about his experiences in the spirit world. He declares–and here Jesus corroborates his messages–that he was indeed permitted to come to the spirit world in a trance state, and that he really saw the spheres and the conditions of the spirits as they existed in the 18th century. Swedenborg tells us that he was informed throughout the world of spirits that God is One, and that a triune God, as believed in by Christians, was nothing but pious fiction. He states that he spoke with Jesus, who confirmed this, but thought that, since Jesus was so much brighter and glorious than all the others of the spirit realm, this same Jesus must be God, and so he declared in his writings. Swedenborg relates that he was informed about the Divine Love, but that he did not truly understand what Jesus and the high spirits meant by it.
One important matter which the messages clear up is the true meaning of the “divine within you” doctrine. Actually, Jesus brought the divine with him when he preached throughout the Holy Land when on earth, and when he walked among men, the Kingdom was with men, but not within them. When preachers talk of the divine within man, they are really referring to the soul, the creation of God, indeed, but a human soul withal, not a divine one. What they mean, then, by developing the divine within man must be viewed as simply developing the latent powers in the human soul through development of the will, and the natural human love through moral and intellectual growth. These, of course, were given to man at his creation, and have no part of the divine. The Divine in the human soul is the Divine Love, which can come only through prayer to the Father. The Divine comes from without, from the Heavenly Father, and can enter the soul and effect its transformation only when that soul seeks it in earnest longing. When Jesus spoke to his disciples about the divine within them, these disciples actually had some of this Love in their souls, even before the Pentecost, when the Father’s Love, through the Holy Spirit, was poured out upon them in great abundance.
Another misconception which Jesus clears up, with the corroboration of Mrs. Baker Eddy, is the doctrine known as Christian Science. We are informed that this woman, through her soul perceptions, understood the Divine Love as a great spiritual force coming from God, which could be used for healing purposes, and that it was through the Divine Love that Jesus and his apostles healed the sick. She rightly understood that spiritual healing was a reality which could be attained if mortals would but turn from material interests and seek the spiritual. In this way, healers and patients could reach a condition of soul above that of the earth plane so that rapport could be made with spirit healers. Christian Science, to that extent, declares Jesus, is correct and spiritual healing a phenomenon obedient to spiritual law; but the Master points out that sin and error, contrary to Mrs. Eddy’s beliefs, are real, being creations of the human soul, and that the human soul does not reflect the Father’s Love, as she states it does. It either does not have the Love or, if it does to a certain extent, possesses that Love, and the transformation of that soul into a divine soul is made to the degree it partakes of that Love.
Her teachings, Jesus declares, help in the development of the human soul towards the state of the perfect natural man, but are devoid of the concept of the soul’s possession and conscious ownership of the Father’s Love which comes only through prayer to the Father for this love, and so do not point the way to the Celestial Heavens through prayer to the Father and transformation into the divine angel.
A few words might be said with respect to the additional messages printed for the first time in this edition. Although they are all interesting, and those of Mary Kennedy, the soulmate of Dr. Stone, have a personal tone peculiar to her, some commentary is due the communication signed, Elohiam, a member of the Sanhedrin which condemned Jesus to death at his trial. This spirit is unquestionably a sincere personality, and his writings have the ring of truth. It is, of course, understood that not all of the counsellors who were present at the trial have since made their way to the Celestial Heavens, as he has, yet at the same time it shows clearly that not all members of the Sanhedrin–and here we recall Nicodemus–were supporters of the high priests or acted out of pure malice and rage. There were those, like Elohiam, who consented to the unfairness of the trial and summary condemnation of the Master in order to liberate Judaism from what they sincerely considered a menace which threatened its overthrow or to bring about Roman repression at any sign of Judean revolt. The message gives for the first time the other side of the story and while the spirit admits his great mistake and does not seek to justify his action or that of his compatriots, the tone is different from the hatred that breathes forth in the account of the trial found in the New Testament, a tone which we know is inconsistent with the Father’s Love which inspired the original writers.
It would be possible to continue to discuss at great length the numerous interpretations and corrections made in these messages signed Jesus and the many celestial spirits, and in the preceding pages we have attempted to point out some of the major precepts which animate them. They emphasize the restoration of the original “glad tidings” of Christianity: that with Jesus of Nazareth there came a love distinct from the natural human love as developed and perfected by the Mosaic code of moral and ethical living; that the new love is the Divine Love which, the essence of the Heavenly Father, was first manifested in man by Jesus and through Jesus made available to mankind. It is obtained not through mere belief in Jesus’ name or in any overall vicarious atonement supposedly made by him or through the shedding of his blood, but only as each individual, turning in free will to the Father, seeks His Love through prayer and faith with all his heart and thus achieves a transformation of soul condition from one of sin and error to one of purity and possession with that Love of the divine nature. It is this Love that bestows eternal life upon the soul and thus fulfills the promise of what we call salvation. It cannot be achieved by rites and ceremonies, earned by man or granted to man by the churches, but is the free gift of the “new heart” poured out in abundance by the Heavenly Father upon His children who seek it in earnest.
In short, it would be impossible here to comment on everything which is of interest to those who, whether they believe in this source of revelation or take issue with the material therein contained, are concerned with things of the spiritual and religious. But one thing must be said in closing, and that is, that these messages, whether they be the result of mortal or spirit intelligence, are so thought provoking and challenging in their nature by declaring at-onement with the Father through prayer for His Divine Love that they can truly be called a new reformation in Christian thinking.
D.G.S.
Washington, D. C.
August, 1956

 

6 Replies to “Who Will Deliver Us”

  1. I liked the idea of transferring those discussions for a wider audience. It helps to magnify pieces which at their own place would be easily drowned in the layers and threads of the forum for further analysis.

    However, I believe in my humble opinion, posts could have been divided in shorter lengths

    1. It was a case of bouncing off of each there which stimulated ideas and which was conducted like an ongoing conversation. This worked well until somebody came along and copied the whole thing pasted it back as a quote and added a piece of Biblical doctrine which she firmly believed in. The content of who will deliver us was a compilation of thoughts that I had previously which was a combination of the greater truth that had been revealed to us through James Padgett as well as the observation of the trend to be moving more towards an atheistic secular society in many Western Countries as well as using sectarianism as a tool to eradicate Christians to minority status in once flourishing societies. There are those in the West which are using sectarianism to progress political agenda and another side of that is the ideology of supremacy of the Muslim World. A country which is a prime example of this as a victim is Syria which is a secular society which allows freedom of Religious expression for all and who had been able to live in harmony for generations until outside forces had political designs for its possession and in the process had no qualms about totally decimating this historical place.

  2. It is absolutely true. Destruction of Syria as a multi cultural tolerant society was one the painful stories that will stain human society for generations and even centuries. What happened in Libya was shameful for the modern world- a civilised affluent society was bombed into stone age without any reasonable justification- opening the gates for the invasion into Europe.
    But Syria was much different in terms of cultural devastations that imposed to their society. See, even decades ago before June 1967 wars Jews could occupy high ranking positions up to cabinet minister in Syrian government while already Israel had been established as their enemy in their neighbourhood. Such a thing at that time was unusual even in the US.
    The oldest churches of Christendom were built in Syria; many of them destroyed or damaged during recent conflicts in the hands of paid rebels.
    Plan was to deplete Syria from educated, middle class, engineers, artists, small private businesses and similar layers of societal stratifications. and make it ready for Israel occupation or full capitulation to Israel (similar to regime of Jordan)

    1. Thanks for the insight Peter, which sheds a little more light on the matter, especially the fact that Jews were able to occupy high ranking positions, I presume within Syria, which again highlights their open armed approach to differing religions which indicates that it was always a tradition within Syria.

  3. That is a fact. There was no screening in terms of ethnicity, religion, or ideology. Government employment was based on education. A written Arabic exam was used to measure competency in composition and grammar skills.
    I found it very strange when, at the beginning of the imposed conflicts, main stream media started to label events in Syria as discontent of Sunni’s against dominance of Alawites.

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